# Relative games always have a winner By contrast, literally everybody can lose playing an absolute game. See: The Donner Party. The upshot is that the advice of someone who wins a relative game could be utter wisdom or complete bullshit. [[Bullshit ideas]] can propagate quickly in situations where you’re not measuring anyone against a non human yardstick. Everybody can also *win* an absolute game. This situation is one we should be shooting for in humanity. [[Not today, nature]]. [[Frontiers lead to absolute games instead of relative games]]. In the most extreme version if you lose you die. Nobody cares if one miner finds a speck of gold and all the other miners find no gold. ### Related * [[Being at the frontier in many dimensions helps advance the frontier]] * [[Relative vs absolute games]] * [[Conquest state of nature]]