Could you actually build a video game to find talent, or would you simply need to use a video game that exists?

Are there examples of successful “gameification” where there was a successful game that actually obeyed another goal?

Conversation with Andy November?

Conversation with Andy

# Building a Princess Saving App
- p4 - a focus on utilitarian tools leads to a massive complex Swiss army knife
- p5 - skills are tools you know how to use
- traditional apps take a long time to get to a basic level of competence 
- p6 - useful Web 2.0 princip;es
	- Remove extra features
	- focus only on the task at hand
	- use the skills people already know
- p7 - people quickly become competent with these principles but then don’t progress
- Complex web apps have an initial plateau with a steep curve bolted on
- p10 - there are some hacks for adding features
- The learning curve for games get you to a sequence of plateaus 
- learning curve for games is on average steeper than apps
- p16 - people find the little plateaus fun
- p17 - games are applied psychology
- p17 - games have a theory of change around their tools
- p18 - exploratory learning is when you are given a goal, not told how to reach it, you can fail and succeed and delight happens when you figure it out on your own.
- p19 - exploratory learning happens through the STARS loop
- p20 - teach people to use a powerful tool by putting them in a simplified environment were they can learn to use it
- p21-24 - Metroid example of gremlins bouncing up wall trigger stimulus, skills, tools&action, rules loop
- p26 - stimulus updates mental models
- p27 - STARS loop appears at different scales - loops made of loops
- p29 - games make you better at playing the game. Apps do not make you better at using the app
- p31 - access to a new tool is associated with a *simple* level for using it
- p32 - people’s brains turn off during tutorials
- p33 
	- Make tutorial feel like part of the main thing
	- Don’t let people proceed until they’ve actually done the thing
	- make it simple
- p34
	- items = modular tool that you gain over time
- p36
	- simple core toolset
	- add modular items over time based on skill
- p37 
	- Inventory pattern is a place where you collect everything + a place where the most relevant things live + a system for adding things to long term storage
- p40 
	- Games give people explicit goals
- p41
	- People really want to complete things if you give them a way to do that
- p44 
	- Have user facing metrics
- p45 
	- Three kinds of skills
		- Pre-existing skills that you get in the first few moments
		- Rewarded skills - skills you need to help the player with through STARS
		- Emergent skills - skills that are discovered combinations of other skills
- p46 
	- Advancement part of the game is heavily mediated and focused on building skills
	- Elder game is focused on emergent skills
- p49 - Example of Maya vs Spore
Other reverences 
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From [[Andy Matuschak 17/2/20]]
https://numinous.productions/ttft/assets/Cook2008.pdf

                          

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# Could you actually build a video game to find talent, or would you simply need to use a video game that exists?
[[Videogames could be used as a pipeline to find talent that did not get caught by the traditional system]] seems like a plausible idea and[[Building a Princess Saving App]] outlines how you would build a thing that is not a game to capture the things
            

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If you were to use video games as recruiting tool, which of the traditionally valuable skills could you capture and how would you do it?

# Videogames could be used as a pipeline to find talent that did not get caught by the traditional system
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